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53 points by andrewrn 1 days ago | 38 comments
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Paddywack 20 hours ago [-]
My first big startup had the following on the cover of the business plan (it disrupted consulting):

“Some think, Some do, Some both, But few”.

Got that from a lecturer.

tangue 21 hours ago [-]
And talkers… How many thinkers died without self promoting their ideas ? How many doers didn’t have the ressources to execute their ideas ?
okr 15 hours ago [-]
Isn't a doer without ressources a thinker?
J0nL 10 hours ago [-]
They're wasted potential. Burnout isn't necessarily from overwork, it comes from pouring your heart and soul into things that you never get the satisfaction of seeing completed.
nchmy 3 hours ago [-]
Burnout is not from failing to complete things. Most work never truly "succeeds". It comes from trying hard to do good work, and having it sabotaged, prevented, micromanaged, and even punished etc...
evanharwin 13 hours ago [-]
I wonder if social media could actually be a really positive push for the “small stakes big thinkers” type, in some cases.

There’s loads of great content on YouTube for example, with channels doing genuine and interesting science and experimentation in public. Channels like Breaking Taps, Journey to the Microcosmos, The Thought Emporium, all come to mind, for me. I’m sure you can think of others.

More hackernews-coded, perhaps, there’s also lots of cool small blogs positing some pretty neat ideas… although, sites like YouTube might arguably provide easier access to finance for sustaining these people!

cadamsdotcom 6 hours ago [-]
In the mid to late 20th century seeds were planted; of ideas & inventions we now take for granted.

Then progress exploded! Quality of life massively expanded.

Now: a slowdown. Stuff still gets made yet we feel disenchanted.

It never stopped being a good time to planting more idea-seeds.

Tenure sounds a lot like basic income. Maybe it’s a coincidence.

karmakaze 15 hours ago [-]
> Toulouse noted that Poincaré kept very regular hours. He did his hardest thinking between 10 a.m. and noon, and again between 5 and 7 in the afternoon. The 19th century’s most towering mathematical genius worked just enough to get his mind around a problem—about four hours a day.

The two 2-hour hard thinking hours chart was the most useful takeaway for me.

accrual 15 hours ago [-]
Reminds me of a quote (paraphrasing), "a vector without a force is not a useful vector". I thought it was by Theo de Raadt (OpenBSD team lead), but not finding it in a search.

The opposite makes sense too, a vector with magnitude but no direction isn't super useful on its own either.

kookamamie 21 hours ago [-]
Cookie Policy cannot be accepted on mobile. Chrome/iOS.
mistrate 17 hours ago [-]
Have been noticing this recently with substack.

What works for me on iOS is to first scroll down until the "subscribe" splash, close it, and then reject the cookies.

Sometimes I still need to click some combination of "only necessary" and "reject" a few more times

chgs 19 hours ago [-]
Sad thing is the performance and experience would be far better if they didn’t ask me to set some unnecessary cookies.

But then they couldn’t sell my data.

blankx32 15 hours ago [-]
Same, reader mode to avoid
fluidcruft 18 hours ago [-]
No problems whatsoever with Firefox Focus/Android.
konmaz 20 hours ago [-]
Same on Chrome/Android
andrewrn 1 days ago [-]
An article I enjoyed about leisure’s role in breakthroughs, in addition to hard work.
betterThanTexas 18 hours ago [-]
I'm struggling to figure out why you'd pick Musk as an example of a doer when you also can't distinguish coalescing money and talent from the thing money and talent does. What distinguishes doers from capital being capital? How do you distinguish between a "generational genius" and a useful idiot?
mpnsk1 17 hours ago [-]
I think you hit the nail on the head why we are in a doers world. Musk is a good representation for doers not because of what he does and achieves, but because of the way he whips his employees into shape.

He is very vocally against giving resources to thinkers and letting them slow cook.

betterThanTexas 15 hours ago [-]
I suppose. It's difficult to view capital as "doing" anything but entrenching itself. We're still stuck with the same power structures as we had before; none of neuralink or starlink or tesla or spacex will fundamentally change anything about our world.

Like, it is true that capital is responsible for the charging networks being deployed across america. But it's this same deployment of resources that is also responsible for my needing a damn car to do anything in life, and it has zero plan on doing anything about that.

I find the analysis of this without addressing what should people be doing do be a nearly useless view of humanity. What can be gleaned from this aside from seeing that the people with the greatest impact care the least about their impact?

asdf6969 14 hours ago [-]
Starlink is one of the few inventions that really could fundamentally change everything. It’s an enormous expansion of viable lifestyles and places to live. I know people who use it at the cottage, on a boat, while camping, etc. and if WFH + personal electricity generation (solar) improves the Jeffersonian yeoman software engineer fantasy could be real.

It really would fundamentally change my life and my relationship to power structures if I didn’t have to bend my whole life around living “in the system”.

Alternatively, Elon could just disable my life if I post something he doesn’t like online so maybe we’re not there yet…

Completely agree about neuralink and tesla

J0nL 10 hours ago [-]
There's a thing in psychology called "Lucky Fool Syndrome" where people tend to take credit for success that was the result of dumb luck. Space-X was one launch failure away from oblivion when they got insanely lucky.

"A lucky fool doesn't know they're lucky."

somethingsome 21 hours ago [-]
I'm not sold, there are thinkers and doers in both camps..

At some levels there is no line anymore.

EdwardDiego 17 hours ago [-]
> Which is why he has undeniably succeeded in doing incredibly hard things, things that many (most) said were well nigh impossible.

> Built an EV car company, operating at scale

He bought into a pre-existing company.

> Produced batteries for those cars at scale

How is the 4680 going? And is BYD eating its lunch yet? Last I looked they losing court cases over a particular dry cathode patent.

And well, BYD's new fast charging tech is far more performant than Tesla superchargers, multiple car makers (including Tesla!) are using their batteries not the 4680, so...

> Launched brand new self-made rockets to space, at scale, including catching them on a ship when they fell back from the sky!

That is indeed pretty cool, but did Elon actually do that? Also, how's Starship looking? Can it take more payload to orbit than a Falcon Heavy yet? Is it exploding less often?

> Bored tunnels cheaply

[citations really needed] If they can do this, the Boring Company isn't capitalising on it, I see a lot of cancelled projects, and only one where the public actually uses it (in Las Vegas).

But hey, Elon's definitely a doer, just you know, sometimes he's doing things that are very bad for the companies involved.

If he could stop trying to micromanage his companies, and just trust the very very very smart people who work there, and maybe I dunno, turn back time and not get radicalised on the Internet because his child transitioned, and avoid getting involved in politics in the absolute worst way possible, he'd accomplish so much more.

Someone once told me that Tesla and SpaceX largely succeeded in spite of Elon, and it rings true.

But I feel mean-spirited commenting this on a 3 year old post, that feels like an eternity ago in the Muskverse.

andrewrn 15 hours ago [-]
Man people really get hung up on the fact that he wasn’t there when Tesla was incorporated. Does that disqualify him from having done the heavy lifting in the 20+ year life of Tesla?

I’m ambivalent about the dude on a lot of points but I wish people would stop parroting that point as if it means anything.

Robotbeat 16 hours ago [-]
I can see how someone arrives at this if they have a pretty hermetically sealed information environment, but if you actually talk to people who worked extensively with Musk, it’s clear how laughably false it is.
EdwardDiego 16 hours ago [-]
My comments or the original? Happy to be illuminated if you have the time.
dotcoma 17 hours ago [-]
They lost me at Elon Musk’s wonderful Boring tunnels.
codr7 20 hours ago [-]
You need all kinds to build great products imo.

Except slop prompters, no one needs those except the AI priests.

mattgreenrocks 16 hours ago [-]
Funny how quickly the prompt engineer meme died. Or rather, was reborn as vibe coding.
Juliate 19 hours ago [-]
I don't understand the reason for the bizarre I/II/III parts.

The real gist is in IV/V and you can easily skip directly to it. Or something still evades me.

ramon156 19 hours ago [-]
Same goes for the midjourney image and the three quotes that add nothing. Just seems like a high school report filler
deplorabe_kiwi 12 hours ago [-]
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carlosjobim 20 hours ago [-]
Thinking is for idiots.

It's only when your start doing that you find out the things you never would have thought about.

Do things before you've made up your mind so you don't have time to regret it.

ethan_smith 18 hours ago [-]
The most effective doers engage in deliberate thinking first, but know exactly when to stop planning and start executing.
slfnflctd 17 hours ago [-]
Planning is absolutely essential.

However, "no plan survives contact with [the enemy]/[reality]/[stakeholders]/[users]/[etc.]"

You have to start doing things at some point, and revise your plans continuously. It's a delicate, interdependent dance.

The worst working situations I've been in almost all had to do with either lack of planning or refusal to abandon a clearly flawed plan. It's exhausting how many people fail to recognize when they need to change their behavior in one area or the other. It's not one or the other, it's both.

jebarker 10 hours ago [-]
Yeah, Einstein, what an idiot for not building a near light speed spaceship.
carlosjobim 7 hours ago [-]
Well then maybe he would have survived.
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kbrkbr 20 hours ago [-]
So that is what you think?
novosel 18 hours ago [-]
That is what he wrote. By his account, he is not as of yet determined what he thinks.